Comments on: Upgrading Daiwa Spool Bearings http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/ Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:31:25 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: dmodder http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-265 dmodder Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:32:06 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-265 fishhead, I use one drop of Oust Met Oil on my Abec 7 ceramic hybrids. I use 1 drop of Hot Sauce Oil on my Abec 5 ceramic hybrid bearings. I add the oil as outlined in this blog: http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/07/22/adding-oil-to-…spool-bearings/ Whenever you add lubricant to a bearing, you are adding lubricant friction, which is related to it's viscosity. So, the lighter the oil (lower the viscosity), the less effect. It's true that you can run ceramic hybrid bearings without lubrication, but most anglers would not be able to stand the noise. The other thing is that they will wear faster than if you lubricate them; remember the races and cage are still stainless steel and only the balls are ceramic, in ceramic hybrid bearings. So you might get the best casting performance, but you'll also get the worst longevity running them dry. I recently tried some "dry lubricant" on a few sets of spool bearings, and although I have to wear hearing aids in both ears, they drove me and my fishing partner nuts after a couple days. The noise was just too loud and annoying, and the dry lubricant didn't last but 1/4 to 1/3 as long as the light Oust Met Oil anyway. -dModder fishhead,
I use one drop of Oust Met Oil on my Abec 7 ceramic hybrids. I use 1 drop of Hot Sauce Oil on my Abec 5 ceramic hybrid bearings. I add the oil as outlined in this blog:
http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/07/22/adding-oil-to-…spool-bearings/ Whenever you add lubricant to a bearing, you are adding lubricant friction, which is related to it’s viscosity. So, the lighter the oil (lower the viscosity), the less effect.

It’s true that you can run ceramic hybrid bearings without lubrication, but most anglers would not be able to stand the noise. The other thing is that they will wear faster than if you lubricate them; remember the races and cage are still stainless steel and only the balls are ceramic, in ceramic hybrid bearings. So you might get the best casting performance, but you’ll also get the worst longevity running them dry.

I recently tried some “dry lubricant” on a few sets of spool bearings, and although I have to wear hearing aids in both ears, they drove me and my fishing partner nuts after a couple days. The noise was just too loud and annoying, and the dry lubricant didn’t last but 1/4 to 1/3 as long as the light Oust Met Oil anyway.

-dModder

]]> By: fishhead http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-264 fishhead Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:04:08 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-264 Fantastic article on this subject. Probably the best I've seen. I have a few questions though... How much oil are you adding to the bearing itself? Boco Bearing says the abec 7's can be used dry but what would give me the best performance? I also use the abec 5's but find that different oils can really slow them down...what are your thoughts please? Fantastic article on this subject. Probably the best I’ve seen. I have a few questions though…
How much oil are you adding to the bearing itself? Boco Bearing says the abec 7’s can be used dry but what would give me the best performance? I also use the abec 5’s but find that different oils can really slow them down…what are your thoughts please?

]]> By: usaret http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-105 usaret Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:47:13 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-105 Received the pliers today. Not the same item pictured on the website. They are smooth jawed and 5 inches long ...so they will work for the intended purpose... They look similar to these http://www.tecratools.com/product980.html Yellow handles like the Klein. Just a heads up to members... Received the pliers today. Not the same item pictured on the website. They are smooth jawed and 5 inches long …so they will work for the intended purpose…

They look similar to these

http://www.tecratools.com/product980.html

Yellow handles like the Klein.

Just a heads up to members…

]]> By: usaret http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-103 usaret Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:27:10 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-103 For what it's worth, I located a pair of duckbill pliers that look the same as the pair in the article. Item 18-20 http://www.scissorsales.com/moreworkshop.html Priced right and includes shipping. Mine are on the way..and I'll start the project or drilling the pin hole and dimple. Cheers For what it’s worth, I located a pair of duckbill pliers that look the same as the pair in the article.

Item 18-20

http://www.scissorsales.com/moreworkshop.html

Priced right and includes shipping.

Mine are on the way..and I’ll start the project or drilling the pin hole and dimple.

Cheers

]]> By: dmodder http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-93 dmodder Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:44:29 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-93 Thanks guys. fishingelbow, I really haven't thought about publishing a book; although I might be enjoying retirement too much.... Thanks for the tip about tape helping prevent slippage, since slippage is one of the ways to cause damage. texasbullet, I think you got your answer after re-reading Step 15, based on your "nevermind" at the end. usaret, I'll be interested in hearing if you found the pliers at Sears. I haven't seen them around here lately. dModder Thanks guys.

fishingelbow, I really haven’t thought about publishing a book; although I might be enjoying retirement too much…. Thanks for the tip about tape helping prevent slippage, since slippage is one of the ways to cause damage.

texasbullet, I think you got your answer after re-reading Step 15, based on your “nevermind” at the end.

usaret, I’ll be interested in hearing if you found the pliers at Sears. I haven’t seen them around here lately.

dModder

]]> By: darkman http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-91 darkman Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:38:12 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-91 very helpful...thank you...your reel tips are always fantastic very helpful…thank you…your reel tips are always fantastic

]]> By: texasbullet http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-90 texasbullet Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:26:16 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-90 Very nicely presented. I learned a few things I didn't know about my Viento (my only non-Shimano low profile reel). Thank you for saving me from damaging various pieces. One minor question...I think you said to put a drop of oil between the spool shaft and the new bearing inner race. I have read that you don't want the shaft to slip in the race instead of the ball bearing providing the action. I don't understand the issue, except if the race slips on the shaft the balls never circulate and stay lubed. Also on old Green Curados the inner race was a very loose fit on the shaft anyway. Nevermind.... Very nicely presented. I learned a few things I didn’t know about my Viento (my only non-Shimano low profile reel). Thank you for saving me from damaging various pieces. One minor question…I think you said to put a drop of oil between the spool shaft and the new bearing inner race. I have read that you don’t want the shaft to slip in the race instead of the ball bearing providing the action. I don’t understand the issue, except if the race slips on the shaft the balls never circulate and stay lubed. Also on old Green Curados the inner race was a very loose fit on the shaft anyway. Nevermind….

]]> By: fishingelbow http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-87 fishingelbow Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:53:42 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-87 As usual, a masterpiece of clarity, accuracy and completeness. A jewel of an article ! Thanks, Chuck. Not having the tools required to make my own pin pliers, I've been doing fine (knock on wood) using regular pliers with some masking tape wrapped over the jaws; it seems to go a long way towards preventing slippage as well as protecting the spool should the pliers make accidental contact. Needless to say, I use extreme caution and replace the tape the moment it gets damaged in the slightest. Maybe I've just been lucky ? > As usual, a masterpiece of clarity, accuracy and completeness. A jewel of an article ! Thanks, Chuck.

Not having the tools required to make my own pin pliers, I’ve been doing fine (knock on wood) using regular pliers with some masking tape wrapped over the jaws; it seems to go a long way towards preventing slippage as well as protecting the spool should the pliers make accidental contact. Needless to say, I use extreme caution and replace the tape the moment it gets damaged in the slightest. Maybe I’ve just been lucky ?

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]]> By: usaret http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-85 usaret Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:21:43 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-85 Off to Sears I go :-) Thanks Off to Sears I go :-) Thanks

]]> By: dmodder http://tackletog.com/superttuning/2009/08/17/upgrading-daiwa-spool-bearings/#comment-84 dmodder Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:57:32 +0000 http://tackletog.com/superttuning/?p=1085#comment-84 usaret, Thanks for the feedback. These 2 links are probably what most use to make their pliers. The first link describes the basic version, and the second link describes the upgraded version with the pin: http://www.tackletour.net/T3Forum/viewtopic.php?t=13038 http://www.tackletour.net/T3Forum/viewtopic.php?t=18778 It probably doesn't take much more than 1/2 hour to make the basic set; and maybe an hour for the upgraded set. Of course that assumes you have access to the drill, bits, etc. It's a good rainy day project. Chuck usaret,
Thanks for the feedback. These 2 links are probably what most use to make their pliers. The first link describes the basic version, and the second link describes the upgraded version with the pin:

http://www.tackletour.net/T3Forum/viewtopic.php?t=13038
http://www.tackletour.net/T3Forum/viewtopic.php?t=18778

It probably doesn’t take much more than 1/2 hour to make the basic set; and maybe an hour for the upgraded set. Of course that assumes you have access to the drill, bits, etc. It’s a good rainy day project.

Chuck

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